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MessageSujet: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Mer 6 Fév - 15:44

Hi All!
I know it s probably a subject that has been talked about before but i would like to know exactly what unit(batterie) was the one stationing in Brecourt manor(see band of brothers)?
thank you very much! Smile

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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Mer 6 Fév - 16:16

The 709th Infantry Div. was in charge of the eastern part of the Cotentin Peninsula. The 105 mm guns at Brécourt probably belonged to the 191st Artillery regiment which had 12 105's in the area...

Army coastal artillery reg.1261 was manning Varreville (XYZ complex)


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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Mer 6 Fév - 16:19

Hi!
I know it was the art.rgt.191 but do you know exactly what batterie of the regiment was the one of Brecourt?
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Mer 6 Fév - 17:19

Nope! havent found zilch about that neither in Koskimaki's, nor Bando's or Burgett's books... sorry!
Second thoughts : could be 3rd and 6th batteries... very controversial issue though... the 91st Luftlande was around too...
Definetly 10,5cm guns, but French or Czech???



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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Mer 6 Fév - 19:25

The cannons i always heard they were german?
There s a site with pics of the positions of cannons and MGs like this one on a site called ddaybrecourt.com or something like that and the owner has some pics i made as well Smile

Where did you hear about 3rd or 6th batterie?

91 luftlande division was just behind the 709 ID so i wonder why they placed a batterie in the space of the 709 ID.

would be nice to see a Soldbuch of a soldier of that batterie eh eh Very Happy
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Mer 6 Fév - 19:55

3rd and 6th... seen it discussed over on an english forum....
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Mer 6 Fév - 23:20

in the WAF forum?
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Jeu 7 Fév - 0:35

No... reenacting.uk....

listen, the more I look, the more it gets confusing... The 709 th Division did have 4 french 105mmm Howitzers... but they nowhere around... Guns might very well be german made...

All that's left is this...


Lets keep searchin' buddy...
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Jeu 7 Fév - 1:02

Thank for this picture ! I do not know much about Brécourt!

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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Jeu 7 Fév - 1:27

gennaker your pictures is somme parts of PAK40 !
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Jeu 7 Fév - 1:40

And the guns were not manned by genuine crew.
When Von der Heyte came on a motorcycle to visit the battlefield, early in the morning, he found that battery empty, the crew simply vanished !!!
VDH came back to Carentan, gather some isolated german soldiers, and bring them back to serve the battery.
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Jeu 7 Fév - 1:53

Mr. Green i love your history !
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Jeu 7 Fév - 10:50

Sorry Pips but your info is strongly denied by most historians ; NO FJ AT Brecourt... That's the reason why so many people around the world are trying to figure out who was manning the 105's vs E/506...

VDH : These parts are supposedly still at Brecourt and presented as the only leftovers from the original guns by M. De Vallavielle himself!
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Jeu 7 Fév - 11:00

Gen', in my mind, it seems that members of the 6FJR were in charge of the defense of the Brecourt Manor.
Mark Bando's books and Stephane Ambrose's one claims that a company of the 6FJR was at Brecourt when E Co attacked the area.....
And as Pips said, when VDH saw none german at Brecourt, he ordered to one of his company to go there and secure the area.

But I can have wrong....
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MessageSujet: Re: BRECOURT MANOR GERMAN UNIT?   Jeu 7 Fév - 11:13

gennaker a écrit:

VDH : These parts are supposedly still at Brecourt and presented as the only leftovers from the original guns by M. De Vallavielle himself!


Who is neither an artillery officer nor a specialist in artillery.
In my business, I've seen so many people telling and showing so many bullsh.... that I'm no longer surprised.

M De Vallavielle is a nice person, but was a teenager then and that day was in a US Army field hospital after beeing shot in the back by a US paratrooper.
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